WWE Face Turns in 2023 Gigi Dolin: February 7, 2023: Jacy Jayne turned on Gigi Dolin on NXT who will work as a face in this feud. Alexa Bliss and Asuka winning the tag titles further affirms that babyfaces are going to rule the red brand. 7/3 - Tony Nese seems to be a face now after coming to Isaiah "Swerve" Scott's aid on 205 Live (update: but worked as a heel on 7/8 NXT, sowho knows what's going on? February 18 - Logan Paul is officially playing heel for his feud with Seth Rollins and could continue on as a heel past that, for all we know. The EST of WWE is most likely to continue her dominant reign. Copyright 2009-2023: Smark Out Moment - a web branch off A Mango Tree, an Anthony Mango company. He's feuded with Velveteen Dream a bit and now he's gone after Timothy Thatcher. Tournaments. The fans generally do not want to boo these guys. With more capacity/viewers, costs are going to go down. WWE fans believe Logan Paul is fodder for Reigns at a time when the company lacks capable challengers. Stay tuned for random updates to this page! However, the odds for the Crown Jewel showdown are in favor of the returning Lesnar. This is a man who needs to turn heel on his father for an engrossing feud. We'll see in the coming weeks. On this page, you find the full wrestling profile of Charlotte Flair, with her Career History, real name, age, height and weight, the Promotions she worked for, all the Face/Heel turns, the Championship Titles she won, her Finishers, Theme Songs, Tag Teams and Stables, her appearance changes through the years, and more.. Ashley Elizabeth Fliehr was born in Charlotte, North Carolina on April 5 . All Rights Reserved. Heel turn at Elimination. That may be a soft face turn or it could just be some random booking. With the lack of dominant heel tag teams, I feel like a heel turn for The Viking Raiders may be coming in 2022. 6/22 - It looks like Ari Sterling is now a heel after badmouthing Ted DiBiase. If you bring Bayley back as a heel, and turn Alexa heel as I mentioned earlier, suddenly you can afford to turn Becky Lynch babyface. (1) BRAUN STROWMAN, RICOCHET, & MADCAP MOSS vs. IMPERIUM (Gunther, Ludwig Kaiser, & Giovanni Vinci) Moss started against Vinci. 10 Possible WWE Heel And Babyface Turns In 2022 By Joel McIntyre Published 1st November 2021 The WWE Draft has come and gone and with it hopefully comes some fresh matchups. Although he has been a good manager and mentor, the seven-foot giant is yet to make an impact on the main roster. Heroes are referred to as babyfaces, or simply faces, in pro wrestling, while villains are referred to as heels. It is a money match if played right. In this list, we look at five possibilities with three potential heel turns and two face turns that could happen this Saturday night in Saudi Arabia: #3. A new assistant authority figure, Victoria(Sonya Deville is fired and is ordered to return to the ring to wrestle, joining the main roster version of the Robert Stone Brand) bans Carmella and Zelina Vega, entirely from ringside. Having Heyman turn on Reigns for Brock Lesnar or even another heel on Smackdown, could be a great way to turn Reigns face. . The Miz is a natural heel, however, he turned face in November of 2012. Alexa turning heel and reverting back to her Goddess persona and blaming the fans for turning her into that creepy version would be perfect to establish her as a top heel again. 6/22 - It seems Charlotte Flair is a babyface while feuding with Nia Jax, while Natalya is a heel, joining up with Lana. If they cant do it at Wrestlemania 38, I could see them keeping Reigns as a heel until the match at Wrestlemania 39. Ironically, Ciampa also turned face because of Gargano; he embraced Johnny after Gargano defeated Adam Cole to . The same is true of Lynch's real-life husband Seth Rollins. Why is that you ask? Who are the 5 AEW stars that would most benefit from a heel/face turn? 5/13 - Timothy Thatcher turned heel on NXT by flipping out on Matt Riddle, leaving him mid-match and attacking him backstage. WWE has done well in showcasing Lashley's extreme capabilities. If it fails at Crown Jewel 2022, expect the 49-year old star to ally with The Monster of All Monsters as a babyface. PS. I think The Usos will ride the Bloodline train as long as they can until eventually, it is time to get off. Im on Twitter @GiftedMoney talking about wrestling among other things, so feel free to message me on there with any thoughts or comments. 8/12 - Velveteen Dream turned heel by attacking Kushida in frustration after their match on NXT. Having Orton take Riddle out for a month or two in the lead-up could be enough to keep it fresh without having them confront each other every week for three months. We can trace his heel turn back to then, though, as he's likely to be a heel going forward. This is potentially bad news for Damage CTRL. I think her heel turn was designed to eventually get Bianca over as a bigger babyface which I think it has. 6/14 - Piper Niven (soon to be renamed, most likely) is now a heel after aligning with Eva Marie. Also, it's pretty official at this point that all members of The Undisputed ERA are babyfaces, so they're off the pending list. Becky Lynch returned at Summerslam and, to the surprise of everyone, effectively turned heel by beating Bianca Belair in 26 seconds. The Usos never stay heel for very long. Madcap Moss is on the verge of turning babyface. It is a weird dynamic, but I believe Becky changes that next year by reverting back to her babyface persona. Lets get to it. Required fields are marked *. In this list, we will take a look at three superstars who could turn heel and two who could turn babyface at WWE Crown Jewel 2022. There are tons of wrestlers that need to make that shift within the next year to propel their careers. He played a heel early on in NXT, but hes been a babyface his entire time on the main roster. He's at least going to be the babyface in theory while feuding with Elias, at the least. I think RK-Bro loses the tag team titles before that show. Lets face it. Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings. Your login session has expired. The Usos never ride as heels for too long and two years may be long enough before The Uso Penitentiary makes its return to Smackdown. 4/13 - It appears Raquel Gonzalez is a babyface going forward. That's far too many times for it not to be a heel turn at this point. I won't be altering these predictions at all throughout the entire year, but I will be adding some revised guesses quarterly around the big events, so it'll be interesting to see who I'm right and wrong about. It may just be a heel/heel feud. It seems inevitable that we are going to get Rey Mysterio vs. his son Dominik Mysterio at Wrestlemania in Dallas. When she and her sister - in the Bella Twins - were ever put against each other, Nikki was always the Evil Twin. Both Sheamus and Edge turned both heels and face during the year. You are welcome to weigh in with your thoughts and comments in the space below. 11/18 - Tommaso Ciampa seems to maybe be either a babyface or at least a tweener at this point. Is this a turn you want to see? There will also be one for heel turns when the first one of those has happened. So it got me thinking. 2/19 - Forgotten Sons may have turned babyface when taking offense with Grizzled Young Veterans' anti-USA comments. Theyve been planting the seeds for a Mysterios split for months now. 10/7 - Killian Dain is a reluctant babyface, but he's definitely more babyface now after helping Drake Maverick out post-teaming with him. Timothy Thatcher seems to be a babyface after teaming with Tommaso Ciampa in the Dusty Rhodes Tag Team Classic tournament. Executives and board members are also listed. The Last Woman Standing stipulations are usually introduced to put an end to a feud. He first teamed up with his father, Rey Mysterio, before he turned heel and joined The Judgment Day at WWE Clash at the Castle 2022. 4/5 - Bianca Belair turned babyface at WrestleMania 36 by making the save for The Street Profits. I think Randy Orton has taken a liking to Riddle and is going to do everything he can to make Riddle the next babyface star at Wrestlemania. 1/26 - MVP returned and played babyface (no idea if he was a heel in his last run in WWE). Trident Digital Media Limited. You saw the glimpses of a more aggressive Priest this past Monday on Raw. Check here, Be the first one to comment on this story. The Royal Rumble is in St. Louis, the hometown of Randy Orton. I'm not considering it a heel turn, as it's all goofy stuff, but he and Big Jordan and the other ninjas (yeah) are definitely the heels in that feud, at least. Lots of turns take place across a year in wrestling, with some talents becoming top heels, and others turning to be fan favorites. Charlotte Flair entered the ring and pointed at the WrestleMania sign. Usually every time there's a draft, you can count on at least one character change. #5. He could even destroy the ring and everything in his path to clearly hint at a heel turn in the future. WWE continues to struggle for big names as heels and faces. The alliance is now devoid of glory and it is only a matter of time before a member goes to the brighter side. And yet, Vince McMahon and Bruce Prichard decided to go against the grain, swim against the tide, and turn her into a villain. Considering that Bayley and Bianca Belair have been at each other's throats since last year, Crown Jewel 2022 might be the platform for their final showdown. (In a future updatenever mind.). Some are kind of obvious while some are risky picks. The WWE Universe was sympathetic towards the injured superstar, and this could lead to the protege turning on his mentor. 6/15 - Big Show turned face on Raw by helping The Viking Profits against Akira Tozawa's ninjas. 12/5 - Von Wagner turned heel by trying to attack Kyle O'Reilly behind his back at WarGames, 12/10 - Xia Li is now a babyface after making the save for Naomi on SmackDown. Do you think the following heel and face turns will happen? Note from 4/27, this may not be the case, as the Capitol Wrestling Center was instructed to boo her. 6/7 - Io Shirai felt like a tweener to me on TakeOver: In Your House, but was cheered by the crowd with her title win and followed up those actions with some babyface stuff afterward. Because I believe there is a real possibility you will see a reunion of The Bar with Cesaro. 6 Face Turn: Anna Jay Anna Jay may have only just turned heel, but she was far better as a babyface. It also depends on The Rock. The segment was actually between Charlotte Flair and Dominik Mysterio. Vote on the 2023 Smark Madness tournament, WWE Superstars Heel and Face Index of Wrestlers on Current Roster. 4/5 - Mandy Rose turned babyface at WrestleMania 36 by aligning herself with Otis. WWE hasn't had a good history with tweeners in recent times. 6/22 - Mercedes Martinez is firmly in tweener territory while she feuds with Xia Li and Boa, but will team with Jake Atlas, 6/22 - Roderick Strong turned heel on NXT with the debut of the Diamond Mine faction, 6/24 - Rohan Raja turned heel by aligning himself with Teoman and attacking Oliver Carter, 6/28 - WWE is at least temporarily positioning Natalya and Tamina back as heels. At her peak,. This post will be updated around once per month or so to reflect a list of all the current wrestlers on the WWE roster, breaking down the superstars who are heels, faces, tweeners and unknown variables. Balor. I'm counting it and if they undo it, I'll update this. 1/6 - Drew McIntyre may be a face now. His failures might be difficult to cope with for MVP, such that a loss at Crown Jewel 2022 might make him steer towards Braun Strowman. Isn't it insane that Big E was the Champion of the company's flagship brand not long ago, and suddenly, he's nowhere to be seen? Dominik Mysterio was tossed into the deep end of the pool without fair warning. This one was a little tough as I feel Romans heel run has been the best of his career, including The Shield. I think WWE has a chance to totally reset things in 2022. 2021 was a year of frequent face and heel turns in WWE with around 50 babyface and heel turns in the year. Check here. Some of the major stars who turned heel include Edge, Adam Cole, Becky Lynch and Sheamus among others. Billie Kay is all over the place. I think the matches between Shotzi and Sasha Banks will be excellent. Did I miss something? A weekly column with analysis on the WWE, AEW, other pro wrestling topics, and other topics related to the news cycle. Throughout his . Riddle needs to showcase yet another side of his persona soon. As a babyface, he struggled to connect with the crowd. 10/5 - Mustafa Ali is now a heel after revealing he's in RETRIBUTION. 6/15 - Cameron Grimes is definitely a babyface now, after speculation from the past 2 weeks or so. Stay tuned for random updates to this page! Install the TJR Wrestling web app for instant access to the very latest news and reviews! Check below for the complete list of WWE Heels and Face Turns in 2021. She's a sympathetic babyface-esque character who isn't fully one way or the other. Trademark Filings. 7/13 - Aliyah may have turned babyface after splitting from The Robert Stone Brand and blowing kisses to the crowd. WILL TURN BABYFACE: Bianca Belair, Bray Wyatt, Buddy Murphy, Gallus, Jazzy Gabert, Kairi Sane, Sarah Logan, Sonya Deville WILL BOUNCE AROUND BACK AND FORTH: The B-Team (house shows), Charlotte Flair ** QUARTER 2 PREDICTIONS UPDATES [AFTER WRESTLEMANIA] ** The fourth edition of WWE Crown Jewel 2022 is the next stop for the business in its premium live event schedule. Some turns are used to break up tag teams and make way for the members to pursue solo careers. In WWE and in life, absence makes the heart grow fonder. AJ has had a pretty good run with Omos as a heel. #WWERaw 2050 339 Superstars Edge and Damian Priest turned heel on this week's episode of RAW. Dakota takes issue with Mandy getting the headlines and after Mandy loses the NXT womens championship to Io Shrai, Gigi Dolin and Jacy Jayne join Dakota in attacking Mandy. WILL TURN HEEL: AJ Styles, Alba Fyre, Alexa Bliss, Ashante "Thee" Adonis, Asuka, B-Fab, Braun Strowman, Cameron Grimes, Charlotte Flair, Elias, Karl Anderson, Luke Gallows, Randy Orton, Top Dolla WILL TURN BABYFACE: Bayley, Dakota Kai, Dominik Mysterio, Doudrop, Iyo Sky, Sami Zayn, Tommaso Ciampa Alpha Academy pair turned heel on SmackDown, Current Heels & Faces List From Current Roster, Jayne vs Dolin, Breakker Trios Match Added to NXT Roadblock 2023, AEW Dynamite March 1, 2023, Match Card & Preview, WWE RAW March 6: John Cena, Logan Paul to Appear, More Matches Set, Brock Lesnar vs Omos Announced for WWE WrestleMania 39. Every WWE Pay-Per-View Buyrate. Im not sure what the future holds for Rey Mysterio, but a loss to Dominik at Wrestlemania 38 seems to be his immediate future. KEEP IN MIND: When a babyface attacks another babyface, this is almost always a heel turn. This post will be updated around once per month or so to reflect a list of all the current wrestlers on the WWE roster, breaking down the superstars who are heels, faces, tweeners and unknown variables. 10/25 - Tucker turned heel at Hell in a Cell by hitting Otis with the Money in the Bank briefcase. Maybe the babyface character that he's played for so very long has run its course and now there's the need to evolve, to transform, to change into a vicious heel. Required fields are marked *. 5/6 - Dilsher Shanky (now just Shanky) and Veer (formerly Rinku Singh) turned heel to join Jinder Mahal on Main Event. 4/26 - Rhea Ripley is seemingly "whatever WWE wants her to be that week", meaning I'm not updating her as a heel/face constantly. Until they do something very significant (and I mean. ** QUARTER 1 PREDICTIONS [FROM JANUARY 1] **, ** QUARTER 2 PREDICTIONS UPDATES [AFTER WRESTLEMANIA] **, ** QUARTER 3 PREDICTIONS UPDATES [JULY / BEFORE SUMMERSLAM] **, ** QUARTER 4 PREDICTIONS UPDATES [OCTOBER / BEFORE SURVIVOR SERIES] **, Vote on the 2023 Smark Madness tournament, List of WWE Heel and Face Turns for 2020 - Superstars Who Turned Babyface or Heel This Year. 4/13 - Rhea Ripley has already reverted back to being a babyface. 10 Becky Lynch "Big-time Becks" has become one of the top heels in wrestling. Once his partnership with Omos ends, I feel a return back to his babyface character is in the cards. 1/10 - John Morrison is a heel now along with The Miz. During his match with Drew McIntyre at Elimination Chamber, Moss took a horrifying bump to the head. If Priest, Mysterio, and Orton turn heel as I predicted earlier, there would be more than enough heels to allow Styles to make that switch. I think Sheamus turning face and winning the one title thats eluded him, the Intercontinental Title, is a strong possibility in the next six or eight months. There's been no character development since, as he's just partnered with his father in a series of tag team matches. Bianca eventually defeating Becky will be a great moment for her. Tony Mango is not just a pundit/analyst, but also a creative director/consultant, media manager and more. Dave Meltzer's Star Ratings. With Toni Storm's departure from the company, there's no one at Charlotte Flair's level right now, unless you bring in a veteran like Lita to take her on. Tamina is a heel again as she's been teaming more with Natalya. Cody Rhodes Should Turn Heel 1 of 6 Credit: All Elite. 8/3 - After Shayna Baszler's interactions with Nia Jax and Sasha Banks, it seems she might be a babyface now, especially after teaming with Asuka and being attacked by Nia Jax on August 17th. 6/5 - Mojo Rawley is back to being a heel since making fun of Shorty G on SmackDown. 11/23 - Grayson Waller is now a heel, I guess. 4/12 - Charlotte Flair is back to being a heel again. Even when the sisters were faces for the early 2014 period, it was still being set up for Nikki to turn on Brie. It's fairly certain he's full-blown babyface at least for now, after having helped out The New Day alongside Mansoor against Mace and T-Bar. The question now remains who will change and evolve over the following year. 1/3 - The Miz seemingly turned heel on SmackDown by attacking Kofi Kingston after their match. Brock Lesnar will fight Bobby Lashley, while Omos and Braun Strowman are set for a groundbreaking showdown. This makes a win for Logan Paul against Roman Reigns almost impossible at Crown Jewel 2022. A heel Orton against a saddened babyface Riddle who is more hurt over his friend turning his back on him than even losing the tag titles sounds like a WrestleMania 38 match if there ever was one . Moreover, potential WrestleMania plans for The Rock vs. Roman Reigns might continue for as long as they can. This list will keep track of all the official babyface turns and heel turns that happen in WWE for the year 2020. Ricochet came off the top rope and got a near fall. Manage Settings Hes arguably the most popular hes ever been now as the top heel in the company, so much so that I think that changes in 2022. Please logout and login again. On this page, you find the full wrestling profile of Edge, with his Career History, real name, age, height and weight, the Promotions he worked for, all the Face/Heel turns, the Championship Titles he won, his Finishers, Theme Songs, Tag Teams and Stables, his appearance changes through the years, and more.. Adam Joseph Copeland was born in Orangeville, Ontario, Canada on October 30, 1973, and . However, WWE could pull off a swerve and put a lot of heel heat on Nikki. 11/23 - Kay Lee Ray apparently transitioned to a babyface somewhere during my honeymoon, so I'm calling it official for tonight but it may have been before that. Continue with Recommended Cookies. I won't be altering these predictions at all throughout the entire year, but I will be adding some revised guesses quarterly around the big events, so it'll be interesting to see who I'm right and wrong about. 2/10 - MVP is now a heel again (if he returns to WWE in the future), 2/14 - Tony Nese and Mike Kanellis were booked as faces against Ariya Daivari and The Brian Kendrick. 4/23 - Dexter Lumis is a face after helping Velveteen Dream on NXT, 5/11 - Asuka turned face on Monday Night Raw. Some of the major stars who turned heel include Edge, Adam Cole, Becky Lynch and Sheamus among others. Yes, he is still entertaining but it's necessary for him to change before the act grows tired. Chad Gable seems to be more of a babyface lately after partnering with Otis. I think Rey re-signed his contract last year so he could get Dominik ready for this moment. 4/6 - Big Show is a heel again. . The WWE fans are always high on their expectations when it comes to the superstars. Tweener for the start of 2021. Every WWE Heel Turn Of 2020. 5/18 - Kairi Sane is a face as well as of Asuka's face turn. The Miz turned heel on September 1, 2006, against his match with Tatanka. Take any great. The violent side of Bobby Lashley has been seen in the past few weeks. 10/21 - Xia Li attacked Kacy Catanzaro again after her loss. Flair called out Ripley, but she didn't respond. WWE Heel and Face Turns in 2021 List of Superstars Who Turned Babyface or Heel This Year Posted by Anthony Mango Friday, January 1, 2021 This list will keep track of all the official babyface turns and heel turns that happen in WWE for the year 2021. Teams and make way for the Viking Raiders may be coming in 2022 another babyface, I... - Charlotte Flair and Dominik Mysterio at WrestleMania 38, I guess after aligning with Eva Marie partnering... Turning babyface off a swerve and put a lot of heel heat on Nikki, while villains are to! 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