I call those DGUs as easily as a person on person. get of his ass and go out in the woods with his 38. If I had not shot the hog with a .44 Magnum I think it would have ended very badly. Great article, even better advise-44 mag super redhawk will be on my side when the opportunity comes my way. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Very interesting. 9MM hollow points will kill anything in Texas short of a feral hog. .357 Magnum revolver. The best bear gun is, like the best cc gun, the one you have on you when you need it. The bear was hurt so it couldnt run thank God abd CVA. I am playing with a m69 Smith and Wesson 44 mag. Derek Wolfe told Tucker Carlson he plans to eat the mountain lion he hunted. I dont recall if it ran on Discovery, National Geographic or The History Channel. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. A much cheaper conversion but I did opt to get a 6Wolf barrel that I had them do a custom 4 hole porting on. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. Before any bear country hunt I practice with it a lot. @1,200+ FPS and a 300gr. An old farm fence stopped the bear at 11 yards and gave me the chance to get that cap on. I agree, a 9mm is not something I would trust. The first dozen rounds I shot were without gloves and I got a severe cut on my support hand thumb! I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. I am from Houston, TX. The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! I was able to aim and take the shot; it tore me up having to kill that nuisance bear that should have been relocated. Mountain lions are a specially protected species in California. A study done by US Fish and Wildlife produced the following results. This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Its not an Old Model, or do you still carry buryin money in the sixth chamber? ( nothin) lol. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. A perfect shot to the brain may stop a griz or black bear with a smaller caliber but you cant count on a perfect shot every time. 400g hornady JHP on a 300lb hog shot from front, while laying prone, went through the shoulder, traveled full length of body and exited hind-quarter over 2.5 feet of thick, dense, penetration. He said not really. I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. When the smoke cleared the bear knew where I was (on the ground) and headed my way. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. The way I see it there exists no substitute for accuracy, proper shot placement, and This is a real concern on the outskirts of . That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. might be ok for a black bear, but will likely piss off a coastal bear. Lets stop trying to impress each other with useless specifications and gobbly-gooky BS. I think that the 480 Ruger is a real sparkling over looked gem. The most significant differences between a jaguar and a mountain lion are their size, speed, and bite force. A Utah friend of mine called to ask about using a .38 Special with a 4" barrel as a trail gun and a defensive gun in the mountains of his home state. The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. Mountain lion study highlights. 10 mm. or wherever. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. Of course you can imagine the hysterical reactions that suggestion creates.. in he he stated that no matter how big of a rifle one has in their hands, when facing something that is fully willing and capable of stomping you into a frothy little puddle of blood and hair, no matter what youve got, its still going to feel like a willow switch. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. Personally, Ive only seen a grizzly bear from the comfortable confines of a vehicle, but that boar in Yellowstone Park made a lasting impression. and females' territories can range up to 60 square miles. At the range, 3 or 4 factory rounds and Ive had enough. Of course the welfare of humans (the public) must always come last. Holy shit! No matter what anybody says, Shoemaker got lucky with that 9mm on the bear. I am thinking a 9mm semi-auto handgun loaded with 115 grain hollow-point bullets for two-legged and four-legged attackers up to 150 pounds or so and the .44 Magnum revolver with 240 grain softpoint bullets for everything bigger than that. If so, what is the problem? The one time I did push these cases was to experiment with that claim, and after 5 heavy loadings, the primer pockets were very loose, but no sign of any case separation. Between 3- and 3.5-inch-wide tracks. Certain poisons meant to kill rodents, called anti-coagulant rodenticides, end up in the tissues of mountain lions. My handloads push a 300-grain hard-cast bullet to 1,614 fps. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. Its much harder to retrieve spent brass fired from a semi-auto My new Ruger Super Blackhawk can handle hot + P 45 colt loads. Not enough bullet weight. Now that is change of Biblical proportions. I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. Certainly, they have before. wild boars A single bite around the throat from a mountain lion can be fatal to prey . The BFR 45-70 was not mentioned. They called me to come over and look at the tracks. (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? Just aim above the front tire, through the fender taking out the engine block. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. Look it up. thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! I have two dogs and they said that might provoke the bears. Thousands of empty Ancient Churches that have been converted into libraries and or apartment buildings are testament to that. The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. The photos are nice, but all the ammo photos are of hollow points, and I have substantial doubts about the value of hollow points against bears, especially grizzlies. Penetration and shot placement are king. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! They were highly experienced survivalists. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. Self-Defense, I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. Browning on your sail boat, that will keep you happy ! This makes cougars great jumpers, able to leap from the ground 18 feet up into a tree. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. heat treated WFN LBT now for these situations. For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! Wolves are more of a threat. I would rather lug a 12 gauge or Marlin guide gun in 45/70 for bear protection. I purchased the gun from the nephew of an Alaskan Guide who had to kill several large browns with this same revolver. If doing this with very heavy bullets a change in rifleing twist may be more suitable if longer ranges are expected. Told me to that towards evening they made Camp during Daylight Hours. feral dogs Youre 100% correct. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. Eventually, Ill get around to getting a .460 Rowland kit and chest holster for my 1911 and start taking that instead. I carry a 10 round 9mm when bow and black powder hunting in Black Bear country. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has granted a number of these in the last week, The Los Angeles Times reported. A mountain lion was killed in the Santa Monica Mountains, becoming the first killed under the state's depredation law, a National . coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! thanx again. 66% of kills among collared mountain lions were mule deer. Before all the Eco Warriors took over the various Forrest and land agencies. For what its worth, bear spray is likely to get you killed in my humble opinion. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. Im still skeered o rabbies. Full power 10mm anyone? These people were lucky they didnt get rabies. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Just holes. What about a Judge or Governor, that can shoot .45 Long Colt or .410 shotgun shells? I would recomend holding off until the bear is so close that he would be hard to miss and then not shooting any higher than nostril level. He very clearly laid out the steps required and when someone should shoot a bear in self defense.. His commentary may still be out there on the web but a quick search did not turn it up.. Of course because political activists have infiltrated Rangers and such.. is excellent. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. 1988 a Montana Fish and Game Officer utilized same handgun to dispatch a Grizzly The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. 3-6 .357 mag with 200g hardcast at 1250fps or more, depending on barrel length. For the outdoors person a revolver can likewise This attack from 2008 shows the utility of a handgun for defense against predators in the wild. In this case, the mountain lion was found to have rabies. Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. Methinks your anti-Judge/Governor bias is showing. 44 mag is a minimum and it would have to be a DA version. Plus spray gives you a non-lethal way of dealing with somebody's "loving" pet. An interesting side note is that after a bear has been skinned and hung up, if you come upon the scene unexpectedly you would think that you are looking at a dead man. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. She had gone out to get water and as she left she picked up her grandfathers .22 because up there you just never leave the cabin without a gun. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. where do you come up with this bullshit. Any wildlife that is killed will remain the property of the state and will be reported to the division within five days. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. Of course, I dont live in Alaska, nor have I ever killed a bear. A friend who guided in Alaska and the northwest, that experienced a number of charges over the years, told me that at 300 yds, a well placed 06 round would do the job, at 200 yds a 300 Win. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? Dont leave your gun in the car. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. A Colorado runner who fought off and killed a mountain lion who ambushed him is speaking out about the attack that left him with multiple gashes to his . OMG! A large caliber handgun is a must. Buffalo bore ammo is available, very hard hitting and lethal. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good The lion was dead before the mule Berry took and shook the lion. 9mm & 38? (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. Thank you! I carry my Glock G20 SF 10mm when I walk our dogs. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. bird watching, hiking, backpacking, and enjoying nature. After being carjacked 2 years ago, I WILL NOT be a victim, again. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. The BS in this article is deep. A bear will cover 50 yards in less than 2 seconds in a charge. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. Absolutely. My handloads push a 200gr hardcast bullet to just under 1300fps. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. Practice with light loads and carry it with one of Pearces 22k psi heavy loads. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, 540 gr leaving the 7 barrel at 1200 FPS. on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half The yellow color was striking. You go first, Ill watch. Worse is the comment on using a .38 Spl in bear country is better then no gun: BS, if your not prepared, dont go! Answer (1 of 2): Plenty of them. Ive never seen too many other rounds do so much damage. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! Dont immediately dismiss bear spray from consideration. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. If you get to take a shot while standing, you should be making an effort to evade an attack while at the ready. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. 45acp . Expert trackers look for the following to identify mountain lion tracks: Three lobes at the bottom of the pad. 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