It's kind of disappointing to see two allies argue like this. Marshall has been openly critical of Bishop Robert Barron's promotion of the Balthasarian thesis of the possibility of universal salvation. It is sheer blatant hypocrisy for him to also say that no one can judge the Pope. Your email address will not be published. He used the huge analytics boost his channel got from TNT and then ditched me, presumably cuz Im not Trad enuf for biz expsn[.] Im arguing that they failed by not clearly articulating their modernism, The issue is that the texts are to be presumed faithful unless specifically heretical, even if their drafters used weaponized ambiguity. Many of you are followers of Dr. Taylor Marshall's podcast series on YouTube, and are familiar with Tim Gordon, who co-hosted with Marshall for the . Sounds a bit petty, but I have noticed there's a lot of division and debate in the Catholic blogosphere regarding the SSPX. (2:04 PM), I dont think theyre formally schismatic, but its a case by case determination that is impossible to make unless you speak to the individual Kook yelling novus ordo is invalid! (2:14 PM), Just tried calling you. And they pretend that he said the opposite. (4:22 PM), PS: this isnt a big deal. Fr. He exalted himself above the Pope, rather than humbling himself before Christ. Ill continue to hope.). Because there are many religions, and why are there many religions? [16] Marshall was noticed by the campaign in return, and retweeted on the president's Twitter account. Timothy (words in green henceforth, and Taylors in blue) tweeted on April 13th ( at 8:06 PM and 8:13 PM): Just defending myself with the truth. (9:54 PM), Just gotta retry each day for unity. His cohort in over 100 videos, Timothy Gordon, publicly spoke out against this, and all hell has broken loose in reactionary ranks, and we have a civil war. 163: Is it OK to Criticize Pope Francis? . (4-13-20, 12:52 PM), I reached out to [Timothy Gordon] this morning, actually. this morning, actually. Lets take this offline, bro. He injects these fascinating interviews with his own distinctive blend of depth and levity. Yet he also says that no one may judge the Pope. All this time I thought "Jesus Revolution" Film & the Sacrament of Baptism. * What Saint Bellarmine really said about Popes and Heresy. So Marshall believes that Pope Francis has espoused particular heretical ideas. We need a moderate voice, a voice which speaks to the hearts of the faithful, respects authority, and genuinely wants what's best for Catholics, not desiring to be right every time or to shame all . Ill do it anytime. Tim addresses Taylor Marshall's spurious attack on FSSP/ICKSP's recent communique (to the Vatican about Traditionis Custodes) as a "cave in.". Do not be deceived, my fellow Catholics. As if this is what we need right now at this moment in history. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. Truly care for him. He never said. Its destructive and wrong. He is, in a video far too tedious to link to, claiming that they are cowards. That is sad. Defending FSSP/ICK from Taylor Marshall. No one has the authority to do that, as the Popes decisions are not subject to review. Tim appeared regularly on Marshall's YouTube show until early 2020, with the pair calling themselves TNT - Taylor and Tim. Ego kills. All of us, me included. And thats just what it is, guessing. He wasn't just a teacher, he was a department chair, and popular with the area's conservative Catholics. The Patrick Coffin Show podcast features weekly interviews with A-list influencers and outliers in the effort to recover the Judeo-Christian roots of the culture. Im of the opinion that TM is an opportunist who does more harm than good bc he keeps the barking going. And it aint gonna be clan chieftains Chris Ferrara or Steve Skojec or John-Henry Westen or Michael Voris or Patrick Coffin (who all preside over their own echo-chambers) either. He is the author of multiple books, including the 2019 bestselling book Infiltration: The Plot to Destroy the Church from Within. Unfortunately, we have a number of chieftains, some with significant egos; and no William Wallace. Another wrong SSPX talking point. Theres always room to come@back together. I will unsubscribe from the Taylor Marshall channel. Sorry Gordons, but this seems to be the only way. The ordinary form Mass is still valid, yet it is trashed all the time and regarded as objectively inferior. And Catholics who attend it are despised and looked down upon, as second-class Catholics. I can get over combat fast, cuz Ive done a lot of literal and figurative fighting, Im not asserting with certainty that SSPX is in a formal schism. And since this gift is of prevenient grace, it admits of no exception. Catholics are drama queens[.] They acted like old buddies and intellectual "colleagues." Two laymen with a youtube channel, spreading the news about the Pachamama dunker guy, etc. The Novus Ordo is invalid or objectively offensive to God. ], Im not a grudge holder. I said nothing about you or your family on here and never would! He sent a diplomatic text insinuating there wouldnt be a call. Photographed by, Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Latin Mass Society of England and Wales. Why the biblical analogy of Christ as Bridegroom and the Church as Bride remains the fundamental truth of the relationship between the sexes. I love dialogue; I care about Taylor; most of all, I love the truth. Please disown that, For my part, I didnt even see the SSPX debate your post caused until late afternoon. You may not stand in judgment over the Pope. A bunch of the mob on here defend your position, but say they choose FSSP over SSPX every time, THIS is the real issue. (3:54 PM), Yes, Dave and I disagree on stuff. If so, please seriously consider a much-needed financial contribution. And yet you complain that the divorced and remarried may receive Communion despite their objectively grave sins. (1:53 PM), The world of text, hermeneutic, jurisprudence. If youre tired of politically correct mediaspeak, you want to see God back in the public square, and youre not allergic to having a laugh, you will love this podcast. I await your reply, Taylor Its sophistical to claim (ever) that its too late for civility. Its intolerable[.] See the pattern there? In another video, Taylor Marshall says this: I think the Pope has said heretical things. Please disown that[.] Eric Sammons replied to Shaw on Twitter (. Well have to wait and see what side other big shots in the reactionary world (e.g., Many lesser-known Marshall fans & followers, ICKSP (which now runs the parish I attended in Detroit for 25 years), The Tabernacle: Egyptian & Near Eastern Precursors. (If recent history is a guide, I wont get a reply. For now, we will meet the first of Marshall's critics: Dr. Jeff Mirus. For their good and mine and all of us, Im officially ending this nasty Twitter feud. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Daves position and mine, while distinguishable, are in close enough orbit to give faithful, non-contumacious, full-communion Catholics a nice spectrum to examine and choose from. You are wrong on cohabitation. (9:16 PM), Lets have robust discussion about the status of the SSPX (whom I still hold to be in objective schism) going forward, but in a spirit of Christian fraternity and unity. I cant fully access Taylor Marshalls tweets because he blocked me, but I can get at some: I am grateful to the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, by whom our Marshall family received the Resurrected Body of Christ on this Easter Morn. There is no clearly statement of the public sin of schism than for a Catholic to say, I resist him to his face. You are not absolved of schism by stating that you recognize he is the Pope. And JP2 was FAR more modernist than he acknowledges, but the point is that Daves tweet to Taylor was 100.0000% civil. What would a resurrection of men look like? Oh my! (3:43 PM), The point of departure was NOT receiving Communionwhich is licit all things consideredbut the apology for not just inaccurate statements about SSPX (which is great!) Calling FSSP bootlicking (as many who were supporting your tweet were doing) IS fragging. (9:16 PM), Also for the record, Ive never been certain why Taylor opted for non-renewal during the peak of TNT popularity. Get thicker skin. (4-14-20, 4:36 PM), Precisely, no more feuding in public. Their many gods are a reflection of human failings. , and February 2022 marked the 25th anniversary of my blog. Home The Slow Death of ManhoodDr. You are wrong on cohabitation. That was the emotionally charged testimony of a 26-year-old woman, in the jury trial of 34-year-old Timothy J. Gordon, who is charged with two felony counts of aggravated sexual abuse, for two. Of course I have sounded the alarm on Joseph Shaw, too. In this video, I address the recent controversy surrounding Taylor Marshall's comments on the SSPX, Dave and Tim Gordon's reactions to it, and arguments that. Just ask them, JP2 indeed spread a false ecumenism but wasnt trying to kill the TLM entirely. Such was my purpose for my rejoinder. Marshall: I just dont see where anyone on earth can judge the Supreme Pontiff.. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. Learn how your comment data is processed. I reached out to Tim this morning. I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. Shots fired by Retrograde Gordon Bros against Marshall. As Faramir says of war: sin makes corpses of us all. The example shown by so many conservative Catholics is gravely immoral. but for all negative comments about them. (. (3:43 PM), I never claimed I texted Taylor yesterday. (4-14-20, 4:59 PM). Theyre conceptually different[.] Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. And he makes this absolutely clear later in the video: Marshall: Its like Paul in Galatians, he could resist Peter to his face, but he couldnt depose Peter. He didnt. This statement is posted on the FSSP website, and on Shaws own website. Not just VC2. Check out some of their funniest moments. Just ask them[.] These types of religions hinder the path of salvation, and are will by God only in the sense that He wills to permit sin because of free will. They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Now, recall (above) when Taylor Marshall said that if you accuse the Pope of heresy you also have to say: And therefore I am not in communion with him. Well, he is accusing the Pope of heresy, so he is not in communion with him. Shock horror. (, This bodes very ill for the future unity of the reactionary revolt, seeing that both Shaw and Sammons are part of, Steve Skojec, founder and former editor at, The entire trad movement has become a chorus of barking dogs. 2 or 3 of them. ). (9:58 PM), Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. To the Superiors General, I say: genuine Traditional Catholics have your back. Distinctions matter[.] The signatories to the Open Letter have committed heresy, and so has Taylor Marshall, by rejecting the teaching of the Council that no Pope can teach or commit heresy. Its intellectual. Civil discussion is whats needed and you wont even respond to me, privately or publicly. [25], Marshall briefly received attention from Donald Trump's 2020 presidential campaign for popularizing Archbishop Vigan's letter warning of a deep state working to undermine the United States of America. You said precisely about a schismatic slur[.] On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Therefore, he has chosen to depart from the Catholic Church. If this separates me from Taylor Marshall and his more deranged fans, so much the better. 'Jesus Revolution': Talking to Jonathan Roumie, Defense of Vatican II vs. Oliveira Leonardo's Attacks, Tertullian's Eucharistic Theology: Lucas Banzoli vs. J.N.D. Sep 08, 2021. Lets take this offline, bro. Not gonna tweet anymore on this, Agreed. Theres an unimagined gap between FSSP and SSPX[.] There were other pastoral councils that did not condemn a heresy. Ronald L. Conte Jr. Bottom line: Timothy Gordon is clearly trying to reach out to Taylor and stop the disunity; Taylor Marshall wants no part of it. Please say a prayer for me. But if youre saying that hes a heretic, which they say in his opening line, an heretical Pope, my ecclesiastical sense says, you also have to say: And therefore I am not in communion with him. And that is something that I, Taylor Marshall, on this date, cannot say. Im blocking the 3 Gordons because they will not drop it regarding me and the SSPX. Wherever it leads. Dr Taylor Marshall @TaylorRMarshall Bestselling author of "Infiltration" and 10 other books. Its not the first time. (3:13 PM), It seems possible to do with some but not most SSPX attendees, namely the ones w/o the schismatic attitude How do you unite the clans with those who call us FSSP bootlickers, a common attitude among SSPX ever since FSSP broke off. Steve Skojec opined on 4-14-20 (5:10 PM): Our coalition is dwindling, . They are[.] Honesty check time, (accidentally) mischaracterized my position, which is actually schismatic attitude in many/most attendees (but not all). I don't care to watch Taylor Marshall anymore. But its certainly here now. Please take a look at this list of my books and booklets, and see if any topic interests you. Check out some of the. To fulfill the positive precepts required of Catholics, we must submit our minds and hearts to the teachings of the Magisterium, including non-infallible teachings of the Pope. NOT TOO LATE! Reaching out to a brother in Christ is ALWAYS good advice. Its not a matter of opinion. I resist him to his face.. Anyway, out of the blue, Tim departed from Dr. Marshall's channel. Wish ALL of them into the Kingdom of Heaven[. I ask everyone to pray for all parties involved. (. (8:33 PM), Never too late when people care for each other in true Christian charity (which I do for Taylor). In this episode, you will learn: Taylor Marshall and the rad trad movement in general is adding onto the liturgical and spiritual problems the Church has been facing in the West. Timothy Gordon has come down on the critical side: I stand with FSSP and ICKSP. Thats the problem. [10][11], Marshall has published books in the fields of theology, philosophy, and historical fiction. Anyway, if it is blue-on-blue attacks you are worried about, that is exactly what Im criticizing TM for. Thats my ecclesiastical position. I called him yesterday. [26] Traditionalist Catholic writer Matthew Walther criticized both Marshall's advocacy for then-President Trump and his claims against Pope Francis. The largest imaginablepublic detraction w/ extremely sensitive private info you had as a family friend. He never said. You may not accuse the Pope of heresy. What if its true, Eric? (2:00 PM), Yes theres a new theology that needs to be rejected. That's it? Then the penalty for heresy and schism is automatic excommunication. The good part is that its NEVER too late to make up. All else is minutiae, God bless FSSP! Self-described feminist singer Paula Cole had a hit single in 1996 titled Where Have All the Cowboys Gone, in which she bemoaned the dearth of real men (Where is my John Wayne; where is my prairie song; where is my happy ending; where have all the cowboys gone?). Even an atheist will acknowledge that. I heard he was mad about some of them, have helped you (by Gods grace) to decide to, , or better understand some doctrines and, Or you may believe my work is worthy to support for the purpose of apologetics and evangelism in general. Someone close to Taylor, tell him to return my call. Yeah, right. Hes been ignoring me nearly 100% since almost immediately after he said he wouldnt do another year of TNT. Lets appeal to civility Ironic to have to say, because we produced 100+ really good shows on difficult topics over the course of 15 mos. Hes got a good heart and weve both had a hard year. And now at each others throats, acting like enemies, over one difference of opinion? The book has been controversial in Catholic circles, drawing both positive and negative reviews from various media outlets. Shall we list the many who have done this? Dr. Taylor Marshall and Tim Gordon of the smashing TnT podcast (Taylor Marshall and co-host Tim Gordon) and YouTube channel join me to talk about the death of men and how it has affected the behavior of the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. I wondered why I hadnt seen Timothys face on the ubiquitous Taylor Marshall videos as of late . . And since Marshall does accuse Pope Francis of heresy, later in the video, he is not in submission or communion with the Pope. They stopped being men and became guys, and now, in tragic numbers, feckless soy boys. Thus, when there are disagreements, how can two mini-popes with their little online fiefdoms resolve a difference? We read the Vatican docs for their original public meaningthat which was ratified by a votenot their presumptive intentwhich isnt certainly ascertainable. Catholic micro-celebrity is wholly meaningless and mostly fruitless. That is why, as he. that every Pope has immunity from error by the gift of God, divinely-conferred. 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